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    Sergio
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    Hello everyone, I recently bought this sailboat. Unfortunately, it was sold to me as a different model. Can any of you tell me what model of boat this is? I will attach some photos.

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  • #91606
    IMG 1724PaulK
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    It would help to know the dimensions – LOA, Beam, LWL, and draft. The interior picture makes it look like there may be a centerboard?  All these details would be useful in tracking down the model.  It looks new enough to have a HIN number – usually on the upper starboard transom. That should give you an answer pretty quickly.

    #91624
    Sergio
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    Hi Paulk,

    Recently, I manually measured the boat, so I’m not sure how accurate it is. The length should be LOA: 6.50 meters. The draft is between one meter and 1.2 meters, and it seems to have a fixed keel. The rudder is central and internal, not at the stern. I’m attaching some photos of the keel; perhaps there’s more detail. The interior looks like that of a Jaguar 22 or Catalina. However, the internal rudder and the fixed keel don’t match, and I’m not sure if there are any specific models. Also, the length is not the same as those models.

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    #91643
    IMG 1724PaulK
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    It does not seem to be any of the designs between 21 and 22 feet long in the Sailboatdata listings. Another picture of the boat from the side, showing the profile and the whole mast and boom might be helpful.  If the sail has an insignia on it, that might provide another clue.  Did you look for a HIN number?  They are usually on the upper starboard side of the transom.  HIN numbers were started in the 1970’s, so boats that don’t have them would be before then. They indicate the builder, the design and when they were built.  In any case it  looks like the first thing to do is to wash the bottom. The growth there is really slowing you down!!

    #91645
    Sergio
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    Hi Paul .

    thanks for the help the hin number probably was removed , it is on a metal plate usually but actually I don’t found one. On the saild unfortunatelly they used the Meteor Veil and so there isn’t some evidence. Consider that I could add all the photo now that I go to take it.

    Yes  the Gowth it’s a really pain It’s the first week that this boat is in my hand probably I will do this summer for the short trip to Capri and the the next winter i will move in my garden where I will clean and fix all the necessary.

    The inside it’s really similar to the Jaguar 22 model , the only strrange things is the fin so it look a mix of different model
    I will do an other Check to find some Hin number , and this could help me I really want give a name to this boat 😀 Also if they named ANNA really italian name .

    Sergio

    #91658
    IMG 1724PaulK
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    Seems like it is indeed a Jaguar 22.  Look up “Jaguar 22 sailboats for sale” on Google.  Different ads with pictures that look exactly like your boat come up.  According to the Sailboatdata site the Jaguar 22 is a British-built version of the Catalina 22 with a fin keel.  The Catalina 22 was built in swing-keel, fin keel, and winged-keel versions.

    #91663
    Sergio
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    Yes, it’s true, it’s very similar. But there’s one detail that doesn’t add up for me, and I haven’t seen it on any Jaguar 22. The rudder is always an appendage at the stern, whereas in my case, the rudder is under the keel, about three-quarters of the length. This makes it not look similar to any Jaguar I’ve seen.

    #91664
    IMG 1724PaulK
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    Is it possible a previous owner had a spade rudder installed on his Jaguar 22 as a custom arrangement?

    #91670
    Sergio
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    It’s really well done for a custom, maybe there is some version that we don’t know . The chatgpt say about Jaguar 22 MK II or MK I they have the rudderr installed inside. But on internet I don’t found any kind of photo. They are producted in the 80′ and 90′ . There is some other DB for Sailboat?

    #91671
    IMG 1724PaulK
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    So it could be that some Jaguar 22’s were made with fixed keels and spade rudders. That calls for further research. The chatbot output about MK I and MK II  versions is confusing.  Where did it get this information?  It could be incorrect because online information that is posted (and which the chatbot searches for data) is not vetted. People can post  whatever they like – that the moon is made of green cheese, for example – and chatbots will simply add that to their “data”.  If enough people post about the moon being made of green cheese, or perhaps simply refer to the idea, the chatbot increases the weight given to that idea and spews it back to you. Garbage In, Garbage Out. On another site someone quoted a chatbot to state that a C&C boat had a cast iron keel.  C&C has never used cast iron keels. You have to verify chatbot output yourself.

    #91646
    IMG 1724PaulK
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    This certainly looks like the one you have: https://suffolk.boatshed.com/jaguar_22-boat-145125.html

    The listing here on Sailboatdata https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/jaguar-22/ mentions that it has a fin keel, and that it is a European version of the Catalina 22.  It would seem you have found out what it is. The Catalina 22 comes in fixed keel or swing keel versions.

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