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It looks like it could be a yawl. But the mizzen is forward of the transom hung rudder post making it a ketch.
Hi JHJ,
Do you happen to know if the Sun Classic 800 is the Dutch import of the Polish built Sun Classic 24, designed by Jacek Daszkiewicz?
Weet jij toevallig of de Sun Classic 800 de Nederlandse import is van de in Polen gebouwde Sun Classic 24, ontworpen door Jacek Daszkiewicz?
From Google Translate:
Good evening,
Does anyone have more information about the Sun Classic 800?
Particularly until
The sailing behavior.
Centerboard operation.
Rudder operation.If you own a Sun Classic 800, I would like to get in touch with you
Best regards
JHJ Berton
Not sure why this particular post went into Pending. I’ve posted your most recent attempt.
Allowing a post without a topic tag is on our list. Not only in Site Feedback but in general. Hopefully it will happen soon as requiring one makes the forum clunky.
Thanks. We’ve added the reported sail area, based on 74m² main and 45m² jib, to the records of the 56 and 60.
We would be happy to add a “thank you for you help” in the notes section of the records if you don’t mind.Thanks Paul. I try to say on top of spam. This one fell through the cracks for a bit.
I’ve blocked the poster and deleted his post.
Separately, if you get a chance, please send me an email to: contact at sailboat data dot com
Thanks.Hi Markus, thanks for sharing this info. We’ll add the boats shortly. Would it be possible to send us a copy of the material you have? Or maybe send a photo of the relevant page? That’s would be really helpful. If it’s easier, please send what you have to contact at sailboatdata dot com.
Thanks.Thanks for reaching out. We have the same rig dimensions posted for both models. We can only post one set of specs so we try as best as we can to report the builders information. But we also know individual owners can change things to their unique situation. That’s why we added the Calculator. That’s where you can go to see how your changes will effect the performance ratios for your boat.
We didn’t have the reported sail area, only the rig dimensions. If you have the original reported sail area, please share that so we can update our record.
Thanks again.Hi. That’s on me. Sorry. We’ll update the calculation to include the metric version. It might take a while but it will happen eventually.
Thanks for the “heads-up.”I agree these are all nice ideas. Paul is correct, we do not allow wholesale access to our database because in doing so, we would lose our ability to vet the content for accuracy.
Offering more detail with regard to hull material is something we’ll try to do going forward. Particularly for new models as building technics and materials are constantly evolving.
We’ll look into introducing a dark mode compliant site but to be honest, with everything we have on our plate, it won’t happen for a while.
Thanks for your input.
We’ve added the Bavaria 43 Cruiser and the Hanse 410.
Regarding gross tonnage, you are correct, it is not a specification which is typically mentioned (outside of the cargo hauling world). But it is an interesting way to compare internal space.
Our site is not set up to include it as we rarely see it ourselves. That said, we have added the gross tonnage information in the “Notes” section of the Hallberg Rassy models where reported.
Thanks.Hi Peter, Here are my thoughts…
The Hunter 38 was designed to be a cruising boat. Standard equipment for the H38 includes the roller furling jib. I believe the differences in furling vs non-furling sail area you are seeing in Hunter documentation refer to the mainsail, not the jib. It’s possible, but unlikely, that someone would purchase an H38, remove the jib roller furling system and also replace the jib itself with one you manually hoist and douse. Then add multiple headsails including a reaching sail. Doing that will help with performance. But that’s not why you buy the boat. There is also a downside. In doing that there won’t be a way to reef the headsail. In reefing conditions, at some point, you’ll have to replace the sail with one that is smaller. Not easy. With the furling jib, when the wind picks up, you can lessen sail area by simply furling in the jib to any point you want. Jib furling sails are designed to keep their shape for about the first 25-30% of furling. After that, sail shape is too full. But then you can just furl in more.
If you decide to keep the furling jib, you might want to consider the optional symmetrical spinnaker and pole instead of a reaching sail. The reaching sail will need a second tack point which I’m not sure the H38 has.
So, regarding your story, you can reduce the area of a furling jib. You can’t reduce the sail area of a hanked on jib. In that situation, you have to replace the sail with a smaller one.
Realistically, because it’s a Hunter 38, I would keep the furling jib.
Hope this helps.
It kinda depends on where and how you will use it. What you want is for the prop to remain in the water during use. In coastal sailing with waves and chop or an area with lots of power boat wake, a longer shaft might be better. In marinas and on lakes with flat water, a short shaft should be fine.
For me, the mistake of having a shaft that is too short (prop coming out of the water) is way worse than the mistake of having a shaft that is longer than necessary (slightly less efficient operation).
As you are probably aware, the more important considerations are HP and prop size.
Hello Dave, This is one that is a little hard to nail down. At the beginning of the model run, Beneteau reported the displacement of the 343 as 5,380 kg / 11,861 lbs. They also reported the shallow keel as the standard keel with a ballast of 1,960 kg / 4,321 lbs.
By the end of the run, they were reporting the displacement (lightship) as 6,100 kg / 13,448 lbs and the deep keel became the standard with a ballast of 1,543 kg / 3,402 lbs.
These changes are the reason for the discrepancy you noticed as we normally report the earliest specs we can find.
We do not know when the changes were implemented by Beneteau but, as the only brochure we found reported the later specs, we updated our record using those.
Thanks for letting us know about this.
